PL/EU Group Buy - SN3AK - I (completed) II (full)

[SP9LIS]

Hello Adam,

If it is still possible, please include me to the order for 2 full kits without the housing. Shipment to Poland.

Cześć Adam,

Jeżeli to możliwe chciałem dołączyć do zamówienia 2 zestawy bez obudowy, wysyłka do Polski.

73
Jakub

[yo8rcd]

Congratulations on the initiative!

Please count me with 1 (one) complete set (including 3D housing).
It should not be a problem with transport in Romania. I regularly receive components from tme.eu through GLS at a decent price (<6E).

Thanks!

[alfa1962]

Hello Adam,

A very good initiative from you.

Please add me to your list with one kit without any printed case.

I am from Bucharest, ROMANIA.

Best regards,
Aurelian YO3FAA

[geremia90]

I am interested in 1 kit, complete with enclosure and all items.
Shipping to the Italy.
73 IK3MLH Alberto

[DL5LB]

Hi Adam
i need one complete kit to Germany including enclosure , thanks de DL5LB Giuseppe 73

[SM4VEY]

Hi Adam,

Please count me in for a kit.

Best Regards
Jonas Sanamon - SM4VEY

[Adam SN3AK]

Great news Marcus!

Please think how much would be 1 enclosure when we order ~50 of them (consider shipment to me)
I am not the expert in 3D printing materials, from your description I would choose PET-G, but would like to ask you and the Group to share opinion / advise. To make things simple, I would prefer we chose one type of printed enclosure. Is there any choice of color? (I personally like yellow as DL2MAN's avatar's picture)

My draft plan for enclosure is like that:
1) Adam(me) collects orders once list is closed
2) Adam collects money for enclosure and sends to you
3) Marcus prints enclosure and send to Adam
4) Adam prepares and sendspackage with JLCPCB assembled PCB + Digikey/Mouser parts + enclousre

The Group: let me know if you have any CONSTRUCTIVE comment to the plan.

Cheers,
Adam

Hi Adam

I shall print one kit and make some notes on how may grams of material are needed and how much time it takes to print. For sure, 50 sets of enclosures will take a LONG time to print - I'm guessing 50 days elapsed!

I ordered some orange filament from Amazon that, to my eyes, looks like that which appeared in DL2MAN's videos. I don't want to commit to offering different colours since I'll end up with many partly-used spools of filament.

I've noticed that not all colleagues that have posted here have requested enclosures. Perhaps some people want to print their own (in their own colour, etc.). If I can reduce my commitment to more like 25, then that would be nice.

Cheers

Marcus EA5HQ

Hi Markus,

Please make one enclosure for measurement - for sure there will be need for it. I fully agree with you that "one model/color fits all" is good strategy. I also would like to minimize risk of mistake when I will package them.
Regarding timing, I think we can consider 2 shipments (25 + 25 later) or even more (4?) if the shipment
does not increase price significantly. When calculate price, please take all costs into account with some rounding up - I think ~50 cases, 50 days it takes some bother to you.
Regarding number of enclosures - I will collect real orders soon, with personal data etc. Then I will let you know what the exact number is ordered.
Let's be in touch on progress from both sides.

Regards,
Adam SN3AK

[ea7hql]

Hi,

please, count me for a kit without 3D housing.

Best regards,

Andres, EA7HQL.

[Adam SN3AK]

Dear All,

THE LIST IS CLOSED - WE ALREADY HAVE 70 DECLARATION

Here is list of declaration. I will order kits, parts and enclosures to Group #1.
Regarding Group #2, if somebody resign I will add persons from this group (FIFO)
Let me check how the the whole process looks like - then I will let you know if I will manage to order for Group 2.

To be sure, I will order PCBs described by Manuel here >> https://dl2man.de/1-trusdx-group-buy/

What next?
1) Adam will prepare survey and ask you to provide personal data needed [Due: by this weekend]
2) I will calculate the total cost of 1kit, including Markus's enclosure [Due: hope by the weekend]
3) 3 days period to resign if somebody change his mind, does not accept cost
4) Order PCB with SMD assembly [next week]
5) Odder missing parts, TDH mounted from DigiKey / Mouser [ next week ]
6) Purchase strong bubble envelopes, packaging materials etc. [next week]
7) Package & ship to you, Priority / Registered email or small package [when receive PCB,parts,enclosures)


Please let me know (priv) if you have any suggestion to the plan.

73, Adam SN3AK

The list:
Group Sign No of kits Enclosure?
1 SN3AK 3
1 on7en 1
1 SP7Q 1
1 CT2FZI 1
1 dl1bax 2
1 sm0fpr 3
1 DB7BH 1
1 GI4ONL 1 (enclosure)
1 OK2JIQ 1 (enclosure)
1 SV5FRI 1
1 IS0EIR 2
1 LZ2FDI 1
1 ArekP 1
1 sp3bkr 2
1 DL3GJ 1
1 LY2H 1 (enclosure)
1 odzag 2
1 Marian 2
1 DO1WJS 1
1 SP9TKW 2
1 CT7ARQ 1
1 ON4MI 1
1 CT7ARQ 1
1 OE3FSA 1 (noenclosure)
1 EA5HQ 2
1 pa4hjh 2 (no
1 IN3ERI 1 (enclosure)
1 F4HKA 1 (enclosure)
1 EA3GRN 1 (no
1 DJ0DX/OE6CLD 1
1 DO1OKE 1
1 DO6DOC 2 (enclosure)
1 DO1JOE 1 (no
1 DL9TX 4 (no
2 DL9TX 1 (no
2 DG6TOM 1 (enclosure)
2 EA5DKU 1
2 S56RLU 1 (enclosure)
2 PA3RNV 1 (enclosure)
2 DF6MZ 1 (no
2 pa3glk 1 (enclosure)
2 DJ2MX 2 (1
2 IK2JTU 2 (no
2 sv5fri 1 (enclosure)
2 f4jet 1
2 SP9LIS 2
2 yo8rcd 1
2 YO3FAA 1
2 IK3MLH 1 (enclosure)
2 DL5LB 1 (enclosure)
2 SM4VEY 1

[EA5HQ]

Hi Markus,

Please make one enclosure for measurement - for sure there will be need for it. I fully agree with you that "one model/color fits all" is good strategy. I also would like to minimize risk of mistake when I will package them.
Regarding timing, I think we can consider 2 shipments (25 + 25 later) or even more (4?) if the shipment
does not increase price significantly. When calculate price, please take all costs into account with some rounding up - I think ~50 cases, 50 days it takes some bother to you.
Regarding number of enclosures - I will collect real orders soon, with personal data etc. Then I will let you know what the exact number is ordered.
Let's be in touch on progress from both sides.

Regards,
Adam SN3AK

Hi Adam

My 3D printer software (Cura) tells me 46g of filament. Call that 50. Let's say I get 20% print #fails (typical for me). So allow 60g. Let's say I can get 16 sets from a 1kg spool of filament. My current favourite source for filament is Amazon Basics which I believe is made by Mitsubishi in Netherlands. It's quite a good price / quality / availability combination for me here in rural Spain. It's currently around €22 a 1kg reel. So, just in filament, the enclosure should be about €1.38. Let's say my printer uses 200W on average while printing, and the Cura software says 5h 16m to print - I'll round that up to 6. Electricity in Spain is eye-wateringly expensive at the moment compared to what it used to be just 2 years ago, but I'll say that it costs €0.60 in electricity to print. Allow some wear and tear on the printer at €0.50 per set. Plus €1 per kit for the shipping when combined for the batch of 30. Grand total current estimate is, say, €3.50 per enclosure in costs.

Cheers

Marcus

[EA5HQ]

Printer filament will be orange, for everybody, unless I get major complaints.

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07T6WMYWV

73 Marcus EA5HQ

[EA5HQ]

Oh, another thing, I'm going to peel these prints straight from the printer, do a quick visual inspection and throw them in bags for sending. I'm not going to be doing the fiddly little filing / sanding / edge finishing / tapping of threads - the things that anybody who's ever had anything to do with filament 3D printers will be very familiar with and will know that can sap up a lot of time, especially if I had to do that for 25 or 50 sets!

As I said, I will do one (or however many it takes) test prints to make sure that I'm printing something that will fit together (hoping that the PCB will fit when we get it, which it should, but I can do some caliper measurements just to check).

73 Marcus EA5HQ

[varaga031]

Hello Adam.

Thanks for the coordination.

Please add me for one kit (without housing) and shipping to Serbia (Belgrade).

73
Tomo YT5CQ

[DJ2FL]

Hello Adam,

Please add me to List #2

- 2 Units please both with housing

Thanks for your organization of the group and your work.

Best 73
Frank, DJ2FL

[Chris]

Hello Adam,

Can you include me to the order for 1 full kits without the housing ?
Shipment to France.

73. Chris. F4FLU

[DL3XN]

Hi Adam,
i would like to get 1 kit, with printed 3d housing, if you ship to Germany.

Vy 73
Patrick
DL3XN

[YO8AZQ]

Hi Markus,

Please make one enclosure for measurement - for sure there will be need for it. I fully agree with you that "one model/color fits all" is good strategy. I also would like to minimize risk of mistake when I will package them.
Regarding timing, I think we can consider 2 shipments (25 + 25 later) or even more (4?) if the shipment
does not increase price significantly. When calculate price, please take all costs into account with some rounding up - I think ~50 cases, 50 days it takes some bother to you.
Regarding number of enclosures - I will collect real orders soon, with personal data etc. Then I will let you know what the exact number is ordered.
Let's be in touch on progress from both sides.

Regards,
Adam SN3AK

Hi Adam

My 3D printer software (Cura) tells me 46g of filament. Call that 50. Let's say I get 20% print #fails (typical for me). So allow 60g. Let's say I can get 16 sets from a 1kg spool of filament. My current favourite source for filament is Amazon Basics which I believe is made by Mitsubishi in Netherlands. It's quite a good price / quality / availability combination for me here in rural Spain. It's currently around €22 a 1kg reel. So, just in filament, the enclosure should be about €1.38. Let's say my printer uses 200W on average while printing, and the Cura software says 5h 16m to print - I'll round that up to 6. Electricity in Spain is eye-wateringly expensive at the moment compared to what it used to be just 2 years ago, but I'll say that it costs €0.60 in electricity to print. Allow some wear and tear on the printer at €0.50 per set. Plus €1 per kit for the shipping when combined for the batch of 30. Grand total current estimate is, say, €3.50 per enclosure in costs.

Cheers

Marcus

Hello!
We organized a group of 10 in Romania (closed on December 23). I listed 8 boxes. So the estimates are correct. The only problem is, at least for me, the size. I checked with a DL2MAN sandwich board and it needed a 1.01 size increase. Not much, but enough not to fit the plates in the box. The problem may be that I used PLA, from my printer or ... I don't know from where. So the recommendation is to check the first box very carefully!
Ady / YO8AZQ

[Faraaz VK4JJ]

Moderator comment:

PLEASE NOTE THIS GROUP BUY IS CLOSED. IT IS NOT ACCEPTING NEW ORDERS.

Please do not post beyond this post with requests like 'one for me' etc.
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[Adam SN3AK]

Hi Markus,

Please make one enclosure for measurement - for sure there will be need for it. I fully agree with you that "one model/color fits all" is good strategy. I also would like to minimize risk of mistake when I will package them.
Regarding timing, I think we can consider 2 shipments (25 + 25 later) or even more (4?) if the shipment
does not increase price significantly. When calculate price, please take all costs into account with some rounding up - I think ~50 cases, 50 days it takes some bother to you.
Regarding number of enclosures - I will collect real orders soon, with personal data etc. Then I will let you know what the exact number is ordered.
Let's be in touch on progress from both sides.

Regards,
Adam SN3AK

Hi Adam

My 3D printer software (Cura) tells me 46g of filament. Call that 50. Let's say I get 20% print #fails (typical for me). So allow 60g. Let's say I can get 16 sets from a 1kg spool of filament. My current favourite source for filament is Amazon Basics which I believe is made by Mitsubishi in Netherlands. It's quite a good price / quality / availability combination for me here in rural Spain. It's currently around €22 a 1kg reel. So, just in filament, the enclosure should be about €1.38. Let's say my printer uses 200W on average while printing, and the Cura software says 5h 16m to print - I'll round that up to 6. Electricity in Spain is eye-wateringly expensive at the moment compared to what it used to be just 2 years ago, but I'll say that it costs €0.60 in electricity to print. Allow some wear and tear on the printer at €0.50 per set. Plus €1 per kit for the shipping when combined for the batch of 30. Grand total current estimate is, say, €3.50 per enclosure in costs.

Cheers

Marcus

Hello!
We organized a group of 10 in Romania (closed on December 23). I listed 8 boxes. So the estimates are correct. The only problem is, at least for me, the size. I checked with a DL2MAN sandwich board and it needed a 1.01 size increase. Not much, but enough not to fit the plates in the box. The problem may be that I used PLA, from my printer or ... I don't know from where. So the recommendation is to check the first box very carefully!
Ady / YO8AZQ

Dear Ady YO8AZQ - thanks for information.

Dear Markus,

Thank you for update. I will round up the enclosure cost to 5 EUR. I do not see you added cost of shipment or not.
Please send picture of the first printed enclosure to this forum - let's all see it before they take decision.

I though about the total price and came up with following conclusions:
1 kit with assembled SMD parts + all remaining parts - 50 EUR
Additional cost for shipment out of Poland (EU only) - 6 EUR
Enclosure 5 EUR

My calculation are based on information from DL2MAN, Polish Post, Allegro ("polish ebay").
I do my best to fit in this budget, assuming that PL Tax/Duties are comparable with DE/EU ones.

What is next step:
Expect personal data survey on weekend.

Best regards,
Adam

For those who send registration after closure - I will add you on the list for Group 2.

[Tweaker]

Moderator comment:

PLEASE NOTE THIS GROUP BUY IS CLOSED. IT IS NOT ACCEPTING NEW ORDERS.

Please do not post beyond this post with requests like 'one for me' etc.
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So I guess the Chinese do something better than we.... (apart from building quality )
The big difference is that this is not a commercial venture, but as we all can see, the product is a very wanted one and almost begs to get commercial. Maybe a hint for the intellectual owner: get an investor to sell it to. It will get more expensive, but at least available for everyone (as long as chip supplies don't get stuck).
Just my 5 cents..

[F1LPT]

Hello
I would like to be on list 2 with a (1) kit without enclosure , shipping to France .

bardzo dziękuję za to działanie.....

73 / 44 od Patrick Skibinski F1LPT

[Alain]

Hi Adam

My 3D printer software (Cura) tells me 46g of filament. Call that 50. Let's say I get 20% print #fails (typical for me). So allow 60g. Let's say I can get 16 sets from a 1kg spool of filament. My current favourite source for filament is Amazon Basics which I believe is made by Mitsubishi in Netherlands. It's quite a good price / quality / availability combination for me here in rural Spain. It's currently around €22 a 1kg reel. So, just in filament, the enclosure should be about €1.38. Let's say my printer uses 200W on average while printing, and the Cura software says 5h 16m to print - I'll round that up to 6. Electricity in Spain is eye-wateringly expensive at the moment compared to what it used to be just 2 years ago, but I'll say that it costs €0.60 in electricity to print. Allow some wear and tear on the printer at €0.50 per set. Plus €1 per kit for the shipping when combined for the batch of 30. Grand total current estimate is, say, €3.50 per enclosure in costs.

Cheers

Marcus

Hello!
We organized a group of 10 in Romania (closed on December 23). I listed 8 boxes. So the estimates are correct. The only problem is, at least for me, the size. I checked with a DL2MAN sandwich board and it needed a 1.01 size increase. Not much, but enough not to fit the plates in the box. The problem may be that I used PLA, from my printer or ... I don't know from where. So the recommendation is to check the first box very carefully!
Ady / YO8AZQ

Dear Ady YO8AZQ - thanks for information.

Dear Markus,

Thank you for update. I will round up the enclosure cost to 5 EUR. I do not see you added cost of shipment or not.
Please send picture of the first printed enclosure to this forum - let's all see it before they take decision.

I though about the total price and came up with following conclusions:
1 kit with assembled SMD parts + all remaining parts - 50 EUR
Additional cost for shipment out of Poland (EU only) - 6 EUR
Enclosure 5 EUR

My calculation are based on information from DL2MAN, Polish Post, Allegro ("polish ebay").
I do my best to fit in this budget, assuming that PL Tax/Duties are comparable with DE/EU ones.

What is next step:
Expect personal data survey on weekend.

Best regards,
Adam

For those who send registration after closure - I will add you on the list for Group 2.

Hello,
Name : Alain
Call: EA3ATJ
I'm interested in buying 1 complete kit + Enclosure, if you can send it to SPAIN
73's

[dl1tsm]

For those who send registration after closure - I will add you on the list for Group 2.

Hi Adam,

I would also kindly like to apply for Group 2, if it takes places some day.
Call: DL1TSM
1 Kit without Enclosure

Kindest Regards,
Timo, DL1TSM

[OE3FSA]

What is next step:
Expect personal data survey on weekend.

Hello,

maybe we can help and send you our data per mail?

73 de Florian, OE3FSA

[sv5fri]

hello Adam,

could you please provide us your email to send you our contact details. Please inform us for your PayPal account