PL/EU Group Buy - SN3AK - I (completed) II (full)

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So this is wrong?
So this is wrong?
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I burned my bs 170,s and replaced with these
They should be 1 drain 2 source 3 gate.
Ian Watson replaced my Atmega that I thought I had killed but it turned out too be the bs170,s that smoked. I replaced them with the ones in photo and have no TX. So people get the correct bs 170,s. Its hard cleaning those 9 holes.
Now I need to do it again, I should be getting my motorbike ready for MOT. :lol:
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DL2MAN wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 12:23 and immediately, we see the correct Pin-Out:
FALSE
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….

EDIT:
I added a warning to my page to watch for the right polarity....

73 Manuel; DL2MAN
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I have BS170 with DGS pinout. And I tried changing the pin arrangement of BS270 as you said, but the output changed to 0W. What’s right?
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I went through my PCB Layout and it is in deed
[1]: Drain (RF)
(2): Gate (Drive)
(3): Source (GND)

So the Pic (provided by DH2LAB) is right:
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Now for the fun Part: Every newer BS170 Datasheet (on mouser) from OnSemi/Fairchild shows DSG Configuration and I was always buying them.
Only Vishay and Fairchild Datasheet from 2010 show DGS Pinout....
And yet: I got them all to work, just sticking them in like the Orientation on the PCB

Now for the really fun part:
With my component Tester I recently went through my whole stock of OnSemi/Fairchild BS170s from different lots:
All had DGS Pin-Out, so the DataSheets on mouser seems to be wrong....

In Deed very confusing

73 Manuel, DL2MAN
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va3rr wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 16:26 there is a very minor error on the RF Board, because the Source is grounded, the pin hole should be square. Currently, the Drain hole is square.

sorry to be pedantic...
In fact squared Pad always marks Pin 1, not neccessarily GND.
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Going to start assembly today and have the same question.
Have you figured out?
pa3glk wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 16:04 Can someone tell me which is pin1 of the LT6231? There appears to be no marker and data sheets don’t help.
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Email from Adam about LT6231.

"Hi Pedro
please post the message on the forum.
I assumed that pin 1 is bottom left, when I looked on the chip from the top and see letters correctly."
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one side from housing is a bit flat

when you can read the text 1 is on the left

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DL2MAN wrote: 07 Apr 2022, 07:08 I went through my PCB Layout and it is in deed
[1]: Drain (RF)
(2): Gate (Drive)
(3): Source (GND)

...

All had DGS Pin-Out, so the DataSheets on mouser seems to be wrong....
Manuel,

The datasheet on Mouser contradicts itself. The header picture is wrong, if you scroll down to page 6 you can see the order codes and pinouts:
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Which are all DGS and therefore look OK.

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PL/EU Group Buy - SN3AK - GROUP BUY #2 IS OPEN
Ordering (google survey): https://forms.gle/zXpVc5y4fvwuZt717

Dear All!

Kits for Group #1 are shipped - thanks to all who sent me confirmations - so, it is good time to start Group #2.

Same like in Group #1, I will order kits designed by DL2MAN and PE2NNZ.
I will order PCBs with all SMT available at JLCPCB mounted + remaining parts SMT and THT included. This time I will also include 3m of copper wire.
I will also upload bootloader to Atmega 328 processor if you do not have needed Arduino board or special programmer.
There will be option to order 3D printed enclosure - check how it looks on previous posts authored by Marcus. Marcus does not commit yet, but since all of us from Group #1 are satisfied, I hope we will agree to print for Group #2 also.

Costs:
1) Complete kit: PCBs + all parts, SMD mounted by JLCPCB (exception not available parts) - 60 EUR
2) Enclosure: orange, see pictures provided by Marcus - 5 EUR
3) Cost of shipping&handling:
1-2 kits 5 EUR
3-5 kits 8 EUR
4) Please consider donation to Designers by your own. Links are on this website: https://dl2man.de/where-to-buy-trusdx/

Completion time:
around 1 month from group list completion (50 kits), which means around end of May.

LINK TO ORDER SURVEY: https://forms.gle/zXpVc5y4fvwuZt717
Due date: 17th April, 2022, 8pm CET (by Easter Sunday)

I will share my Bank Account, paypal and other information to the emails you provided in the survey.

Best regards,
Adam SN3AK
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Assembly completed.
Still need transmission tests (after lunch 😋)
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Anyone had problems after some time the rig powered?

Like stop receiving on some bands, etc.
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I am pre-registered on the second list and I only want the enclosure and not the kit because I have already ordered from Up Store at AliExpress and I am waiting for delivery ,.
I can't fill in the form because you have to order at least one kit to be registered and I only want the enclosure, so how do I do it?
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I could buy the kit and you could stay whit the enclosure if Adam agrees.
F1LPT wrote: 10 Apr 2022, 16:56 I am pre-registered on the second list and I only want the enclosure and not the kit because I have already ordered from Up Store at AliExpress and I am waiting for delivery ,.
I can't fill in the form because you have to order at least one kit to be registered and I only want the enclosure, so how do I do it?
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F1LPT wrote: 10 Apr 2022, 16:56 I am pre-registered on the second list and I only want the enclosure and not the kit because I have already ordered from Up Store at AliExpress and I am waiting for delivery ,.
I can't fill in the form because you have to order at least one kit to be registered and I only want the enclosure, so how do I do it?
Patrick F1LPT
Hi, I have some pieces for sale. Price 5 Euro + shipping cost.

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Jlcpcb seem to have shortage for Capacitors for RF board 100v 150pF 0805 Multilayer 0805N331j101CT.
C16, C30 & the rest.
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I remember a few hams on usdx kits replaced the 100v for 50v but maybe Manuel can give a opinion about the kind of replace.
joemen wrote: 10 Apr 2022, 22:01 Jlcpcb seem to have shortage for Capacitors for RF board 100v 150pF 0805 Multilayer 0805N331j101CT.
C16, C30 & the rest.
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CT7ARQ wrote: 10 Apr 2022, 23:04 I remember a few hams on usdx kits replaced the 100v for 50v but maybe Manuel can give a opinion about the kind of replace.
joemen wrote: 10 Apr 2022, 22:01 Jlcpcb seem to have shortage for Capacitors for RF board 100v 150pF 0805 Multilayer 0805N331j101CT.
C16, C30 & the rest.
No - Manuel has stated many times they must be 100V and C0G/NP0

e.g.
Remember: (tr)uSDX Filter Capacitors ALWAYS need to be C0G/NP0 Types, rated for at least 100V !
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Faraaz is 100% right.
Using anything lower than 100V rated NP0/C0G types is a NoGo.
If you can´t substitute them with some other C0G or NP0 rated for 100V (0603 and 0805 are possible, and usually you can always substitute them)
-> then leave them out, buy them from mouser and hand solder them.

It is impossible to troubleshoot the rig if you use wrong caps. Just look at the *Rxxxx* mess....
Don´t do it....

73 Manuel, DL2MAN
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Thank you for the clarification Manuel.
Didn't no *Rxxxx* used roung caps.
DL2MAN wrote: 11 Apr 2022, 10:11 Faraaz is 100% right.
Using anything lower than 100V rated NP0/C0G types is a NoGo.
If you can´t substitute them with some other C0G or NP0 rated for 100V (0603 and 0805 are possible, and usually you can always substitute them)
-> then leave them out, buy them from mouser and hand solder them.

It is impossible to troubleshoot the rig if you use wrong caps. Just look at the *Rxxxx* mess....
Don´t do it....

73 Manuel, DL2MAN
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CT7ARQ wrote: 11 Apr 2022, 11:16 Didn't no *Rxxxx* used roung caps.
They did in 2 documented instances on Batch 1 and 2. But both were only part of the Problem. The other Problem is yet to be found. Read through the Filter Optimization Thread for all the Details.

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Post by OE6CLD »

Thanks Adam,

Got my (tr)uSDX already on the 2nd of April but was too busy. Everything looks great and I hope to finish mine over Easter. Thanks a lot for your efforts, much appreciated and well done!

73,
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Hi Adam,

how can I check I (and my 9A collegues) are properly added to the ordering list #2 ?

9A5MPV
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73 Vlado 9a5mpv

Adam SN3AK wrote: 08 Apr 2022, 07:57 PL/EU Group Buy - SN3AK - GROUP BUY #2 IS OPEN
Ordering (google survey): https://forms.gle/zXpVc5y4fvwuZt717

Dear All!

Kits for Group #1 are shipped - thanks to all who sent me confirmations - so, it is good time to start Group #2.

Same like in Group #1, I will order kits designed by DL2MAN and PE2NNZ.
I will order PCBs with all SMT available at JLCPCB mounted + remaining parts SMT and THT included. This time I will also include 3m of copper wire.
I will also upload bootloader to Atmega 328 processor if you do not have needed Arduino board or special programmer.
There will be option to order 3D printed enclosure - check how it looks on previous posts authored by Marcus. Marcus does not commit yet, but since all of us from Group #1 are satisfied, I hope we will agree to print for Group #2 also.

Costs:
1) Complete kit: PCBs + all parts, SMD mounted by JLCPCB (exception not available parts) - 60 EUR
2) Enclosure: orange, see pictures provided by Marcus - 5 EUR
3) Cost of shipping&handling:
1-2 kits 5 EUR
3-5 kits 8 EUR
4) Please consider donation to Designers by your own. Links are on this website: https://dl2man.de/where-to-buy-trusdx/

Completion time:
around 1 month from group list completion (50 kits), which means around end of May.

LINK TO ORDER SURVEY: https://forms.gle/zXpVc5y4fvwuZt717
Due date: 17th April, 2022, 8pm CET (by Easter Sunday)

I will share my Bank Account, paypal and other information to the emails you provided in the survey.

Best regards,
Adam SN3AK
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Dear Vlado, et al.

I will send final list after Easter. So far, there are registration for ~30 kits (target 50) from below call signs.
But please do not send ask for checking on the forum. If you think that something wrong happen when you fill the google survey - just sent me message on my email: pcmciak at gmail.com

73,
Adam SN3AK

Group #2 registration list (20220412):
YO8RCD
ON6WJ
ik2jtu
SQ9GIN
Sisa
OK1ABB
ok2jgd
OM7AR
OK1VBR
DJ2FL
OM8HML
EA3ATJ
OK2IVO
9A5MP
ok2zas
YO4XPF
G4VDX
ok2crb
ok2crb
IK3MLH
CT7ARQ
OK1BT, OK2RDY
9A3PM
SV5FRI
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Dear Group #2,

Current registration status:
Kits - 38 (still 12 needed to complete group #2 order)
Enclosures - 21
Due date: (Sunday, 17th April)

Happy Easter!
73,
Adam SN3AK

I have registration with following call signs:
YO8RCD
ON6WJ
ik2jtu
SQ9GIN
Sisa
OK1ABB
ok2jgd
OM7AR
OK1VBR
DJ2FL
OM8HML
EA3ATJ
OK2IVO
9A5MP
ok2zas
YO4XPF
G4VDX
ok2crb
IK3MLH
CT7ARQ
OK1BT, OK2RDY
9A3PM
SV5FRI
9A7AM
BEZ
Sq3pca
DH2LAB
DF8DT
9A6PAF
F1LPT
SQ2SNG
EA1AHA
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Hi Adam, I just filled out the form! Thanks for making group 2. 73!
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